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Gohan doesn't need anger...
Topic Started: May 30 2013, 10:15 PM (1,771 Views)
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"I am the bone of my sword."

One of the most frustrating things I read on here is the fact that some people claim that Gohan needs rage to transform into an SSj2 and that he's able to transform at the budokai because he's angry.

May I first question the fact that at what point during the budokai against Kibito is he so bloodlusted angry that he's going to transform? Have you seen his expression against Kibito. Gohan doesn't have his " :@ I'MA KILL YOU!!!! YEEEAARGH!" face on he has his " :rofl: Depity gurpy everyone recognizes me, oh noes, who's this Kibito guy? I wonder what's up :x gerity amped Destructo kame death beam!" There's no anger in him. Videl's healed, she's got her Senzu. He doesn't know Kibito, he has nothing against him. There is not a single amount of tickedness upon Gohan's face.

So what does he do. He bends over, spreads his legs and **** out SSj2 even more casually than he did when he was angry.
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That thought makes no sense because Goku and Vegeta can use SSJ 2 at will. I think Gohan isn't practiced enough in the form to be honest. He may have only used it twice ( @ Cell, Budokai). Goku said SSJ took time to get used to and control, so maybe Gohan just hasn't trained enough with it.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

That's the problem, Gohan transforms so casually at the budokai and he express no answer. He's overconfident perhaps, but its not like he's about to rip the face off of someone out of sheer rage. Which only makes it a problem against Dabura when anger is brought up because anger clearly wasn't an issue before, why is it an issue then? He should be infuriated against Dabura. He's killed Kibito (a good friend) and turned Piccolo and Krillin into stone, one of his best friends a person that was like a father figure to them and if they don't do anything, they will never be saved)

He should be far more angry against Dabura than he was a the budokai, but instead he's somehow not.
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It is possible that he didn't need SSJ 2 for Dabura. I think he did have a power advantage since he broke Dabura's sword, so maybe he didn't feel the need to transform. Still doesn't tell us why he didn't transform against Buu.
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May 30 2013, 10:15 PM
One of the most frustrating things I read on here is the fact that some people claim that Gohan needs rage to transform into an SSj2 and that he's able to transform at the budokai because he's angry.

May I first question the fact that at what point during the budokai against Kibito is he so bloodlusted angry that he's going to transform? Have you seen his expression against Kibito. Gohan doesn't have his " :@ I'MA KILL YOU!!!! YEEEAARGH!" face on he has his " :rofl: Depity gurpy everyone recognizes me, oh noes, who's this Kibito guy? I wonder what's up :x gerity amped Destructo kame death beam!" There's no anger in him. Videl's healed, she's got her Senzu. He doesn't know Kibito, he has nothing against him. There is not a single amount of tickedness upon Gohan's face.

So what does he do. He bends over, spreads his legs and **** out SSj2 even more casually than he did when he was angry.
I initially thought Rage was the only explanation as to why he didn't do it later against Buu.
But if you think about it, he was more angry against Buu, than against Kabito.

I 100% agree with you.
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May 30 2013, 10:23 PM
That's the problem, Gohan transforms so casually at the budokai and he express no answer. He's overconfident perhaps, but its not like he's about to rip the face off of someone out of sheer rage. Which only makes it a problem against Dabura when anger is brought up because anger clearly wasn't an issue before, why is it an issue then? He should be infuriated against Dabura. He's killed Kibito (a good friend) and turned Piccolo and Krillin into stone, one of his best friends a person that was like a father figure to them and if they don't do anything, they will never be saved)

He should be far more angry against Dabura than he was a the budokai, but instead he's somehow not.
Thing is, he didn't have much reason to go SSJ2 against Dabura, the fight hadn't really fully taken off yet, and Gohan was holding his own in MSSJ.
But he did try against Buu, and for some unknown reason, was not able to.
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That's makes sense but I can't understand why didn't he trainsformed into to a ssj2 against Majin Buu and he did against Dabura which practically he wasn't even angry as you pointed everything was ok Videl is heal Kigito is like his opponent and nothing more,however against Majin Buu he should be more angry and trainsformed there as well
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May 31 2013, 02:27 PM
That's makes sense but I can't understand why didn't he trainsformed into to a ssj2 against Majin Buu and he did against Dabura which practically he wasn't even angry as you pointed everything was ok Videl is heal Kigito is like his opponent and nothing more,however against Majin Buu he should be more angry and trainsformed there as well
He didn't go SSj2 against Dabra. He only stayed SSj.
That could be explained by the fact that he possibly hadn't recovered all ki from being attacked. Kabito healed him, but we don't know if he healed Gohan entirely. It's suggested that he didn't considering he said that he didn't know how long it would take Gohan to recover all the ki that was stolen from him.

Gohan took a Senzu prior to his fight against Fat Boo, so why he didn't use SSj2 is anyone's guess, but he did say something about not being able to "fight like he did against Cell."

It's also possible that it has nothing to do with power, and more has to do with his mental state in SSj2. SSj2 changes people more so than any other form of Super Saiyan, Gohan especially gets pretty malicious. This is probably what he was afraid of, and therefore didn't want to risk having his judgement clouded like it was against Cell.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Even a lack of ki wouldn't explain it. Gohan lost over 50% of his power against Zenkai Perfect Cell, not only is he able to attain his full power by the end of the duel but even before then can still maintain his SSj2 form despite his heavy wounds.
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May 31 2013, 02:48 PM
Even a lack of ki wouldn't explain it. Gohan lost over 50% of his power against Zenkai Perfect Cell, not only is he able to attain his full power by the end of the duel but even before then can still maintain his SSj2 form despite his heavy wounds.
that could be a rage boost , not that he gained back his lost power
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Brofist did you see Gohan get pissed off that he had to transform in front of his school mates.

Gohan basically went to a F*ck it mode.

First his girlfriend is almost killed then when he finally gets her healed up there is this unknown man wanting him to transform and not only break the no ssj rule he made but also transform in front of his friends.

Gohan might be able to get to SSJ2 without rage based on he was going to use it against Fat Buu bit rage helps him transform.
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What if Gohan felt he couldn't handle SSJ2 enough since it was such a hassle to transform into it just not long before his fight against Dabura. Along with not needing to power up that strong to handle someone like him; as well as having a nice solid fight to show Goku, Vegeta, and Kai what he was capable of.

He was showing off for Goku to show how he was 7 years later.
He was trying to live up to Kai's expectations.
And proving to Vegeta that his comments towards him weren't as bad as he though, even though it was surly that way anyway.
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May 30 2013, 10:15 PM
One of the most frustrating things I read on here is the fact that some people claim that Gohan needs rage to transform into an SSj2 and that he's able to transform at the budokai because he's angry.

May I first question the fact that at what point during the budokai against Kibito is he so bloodlusted angry that he's going to transform? Have you seen his expression against Kibito. Gohan doesn't have his " :@ I'MA KILL YOU!!!! YEEEAARGH!" face on he has his " :rofl: Depity gurpy everyone recognizes me, oh noes, who's this Kibito guy? I wonder what's up :x gerity amped Destructo kame death beam!" There's no anger in him. Videl's healed, she's got her Senzu. He doesn't know Kibito, he has nothing against him. There is not a single amount of tickedness upon Gohan's face.

So what does he do. He bends over, spreads his legs and **** out SSj2 even more casually than he did when he was angry.
That post well and truly deserved a like my friend.

I concur. Anger is only initially needed as the vessel for his ascension to Super Saiyan 2. Rage is reiterated multiple times throughout the novel as a means for which Gohan can access truly incredible power, and even the greatest power in the world.

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P4.4-6
Goku: “Ah! Wait, Gohan. I have 2 more senzu; you should eat 1. You used up a lot of stamina earlier. [ ] Get angry, Gohan…Remember how you got angry and fought Cell, and draw out all of the power you have. If you do that, you won’t lose to anyone in the entire world! Not to anyone…






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I think had Krillen and Piccolo gone in instead of Goku and Vegeta Gohan would have less pressure and could have pulled SSJ2 off.

I'll also repeat this

Gohan gets pissed off that he has to transform in front of his school mates.

Gohan basically went into a F*ck it mode.

First his girlfriend is almost killed then when he finally gets her healed up there is this unknown man wanting him to transform and not only break the no ssj rule he made but also transform in front of his friends.

Gohan is human and frustration leads to Anger, Gohan had just gone from an incredible rage that he hasn't felt in seven years that doesn't just go away that quickly.

Gohan has never used SSJ2 outside of the cell games and if SSJ2 is anything like SSJ Goku needed to learn to transform without rage and then he needed to master the form to not embrace his rage.

Perhaps Gohan could ave went SSJ2 without his rage but he used at least some of it to help his transformation.
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